Can't find meteohub with other router

[J.S.]

1) Ja sicher, dass konnte wenn ich da wa. Nicht hier. Und mit IE auch, hab via genau die Adresse Speedtouch einstellungen usw gesehen und geandert.

Aber mit den IP von Meteohub gelang es nicht. Kam nicht drein. IPScan hat nichts gefunden. Gar nichts, aber der Acer computer wo ich auf Arbeitete sah IP Scan.

Also Oke: ist Port 80 nicht! Meteohub war direct an Router geschaltet und nicht gefunden, auch nicht wenn ich dass such bereich grosser machte (vond 192.168.1.0 bis 254 nach 192.168.2.254). Gar nichts.
Vielleciht Port 7777? Oder ist dass auch nur fur Internet?

2) Internet security? Wieso? ich habe auch dass passwort und auf Speedtouch gesehen und auch bekommen von die Frau. Arbeiteit bei alle Leute, nicht bei mir...Ist dass normal?

Hier zu hause ist Meteohub nicht via 192.168.1.77 an zu rufen. Ebenfalls nichts.

Wieder sehr vielen DANK!

[J.S.]

Hej,

I have been reading this (very nice explanation for people like me).

I am beginning to think this is the true problem!
My Meteohub has an IP address with 192.168.2.145.
Probably as I thought, because the router I use at home has a class C subnet from 192.168.2.x is.

Based on what I read, you have to set the IP address that is set according to the routers Sub C net. And this differs. The Speedtouch uses the 192.168.1.x class C subnet. Therefor, it cannot see the Meteohub. Likewise, I cannot get the meteohub over here at 192.168.1.77 because my router does not support this net.

I put this as if it IS that way, but it is what I think after what I have rad.

From what I have read on the problems with the Speedtouch routers (where there have been a nummber, also with various NAS) it coul dbe that opening port 80 in the router would let me access my 62.238.xx.xx IP address from another pc outside the local network.

What is your opinion. Sorry for the English, I write this a bit faster than German and it is late (yet again).

best regards, freundliche gruessen,

Jorge

[wfpost]

Morgen Jorge,

die Subnets des Routers und des Meteohub müssen übereinstimmen, sonst geht es nicht.

An deiner Stelle würde ich folgendes versuchen.

1. Setze beim meteohub die DHCP Funktion.
2. auf dem ST(Speedtouch) Router auch DHCP einschalten.
3. Auf dem PC mit dem du den meteohub lokal im webbrowser aufrufen willst die Netzwerkadresse auch per DHCP automatisch beziehen.
4. meteohub und PC neu starten

Nun sollte mit den IP-Adressen alles stimmen

5. Jetzt im Speedtouch auf den Punkt
Game & Application Sharing und den meteohub wie bei mir auf die Funktion
HTTP Server (World Wide Web)
den Port 80 einstellen, damit der meteohub Anfragen aus dem Internet auf diesen Port weiter (-um)leitet! (siehe Bilder)
Dann muss es gehen, weil mit DHCP müssen alle Rechner im richtigen Subnet sein!








Gruß,
Wolfgang

[J.S.]

Also ich bin etwas weiter. Ich hab die IP Adresse mein USR geandert von 192.168.2.1 zu 192.168.1.1. Ich hab bevor gesichert dass der USR via networkcard immer zu erreichen ist. War notwendig.
Als wenn ich das geandert hab, konnte ich nicht mehr via Wireless Internet zugreifen. genau was bei der Bauer passiert ist.
Networkcard also auf 192.168.1.110 gesetzt. Aber drahtlos gelang es nicht mehr auf Internet zu zugreifen.....Dann alles wieder auf DHCP und DNS (beide Automatisch)....und alles functioniert wieder. Ich kann acuh auf Meteohub zugreifen via Internet und via zwei IP Adresse in der Reihe 192.168.1.xx.

Hab meine PC angeschaltet und nichts geandert: die hat kein Problem mit die geanderte IP Adresse auf den Router. Ist also klar ein Problem mit meinem Laptop oder wireless Networkcard (Belkin)

Werde es wiedermal versuchen bei der Bauer zu schaffen. Also vielen Dank und ich hoffe dass es geht..

Mfg,

Jorge

[J.S.]

Oke,

Contact mit router war oke mit Laptop. Konnte auch auf 192.168.1.117 Meteohub erreichen! Auch konnte ich auf dem Speedtouch zugang fuer Games usw einschalten. Obwohl ich nirgenwo Port 80 finden konnte.
Aber dan kamm es: wo finde ich WAN (IP)? Die haben PPoE...Ich konnte nicht die Einstellung finden, nur dass es PPoE Gab. Kurz nachdem gab es noch verbinding met der Router, aber wiedermal dasselbe problem. Ich konnte nicht mehr einloggen. Ich war mude, und bin gestoppt. Auch 2 Stunden spaeter nur ein sehr schwache InternetVerbindung. Bin zu Hause gefahren.
Wenn ich Internetverbindung hatte, hatte es nicht geandert da ich nicht weiss ob es dann Porblemen gibt. Also kann dass passieren. Und wo kann ich, wenn es kein Porblemen geben soll UND es notwendig is von PPoE in DCHP aendern? Weiss ich nicht. Bei PPPoE gab es allerdings kein IP Adresse.

Mfg,

Jorge

[J.S.]

Oke,

I am a little further everstill. The Speedtouch does not allow you to test if a server can be accessed threw the internet. You need to get a friend to fill in the WAN IP to see if he can reach the meteohub. That is really great of this device, very logical....

I found out that with some simple software, you can checkout the WANIP from the router.
A plus on that side is is that their provider (or any ADSL provider?) keeps the WAN IP always the same.

I got an account from dyndns, set it up in the router but cannot access the router externally. While I know the password setting etc is okay. Does anybody know what can be wrong here?? I just enter the IP (which is also shown on the dyndns homepage at my account) and reach nothing...Is this not meant to reach the router, but instead reach devices connected to the router (with Port 80 on..)?? If so, I do understand after all.

Best regards,
Jorge

[sevenless]

Most routers disable external access (e.g. from an IP address other than 192.168.x.y) by default as a security precaution, to make sure no one hacks in, especially if you did not change the default admin password. As such if you try to connect to your IP address on port 80, the request times out and fails. Similarly, if you have not enabled port forwarding for other services, all other ports will also time out.

Check your router administration panel to see if external administration is permitted (and on which port! Some routers default to a non-standard port such as 8383 -- also a safety feature), then check if you can successfully ping the IP address from an external location.

[J.S.]

If that is so, there is a lot to do because which port is exactly on and which is not, is not clear to me on this router. I have checked with another router (sitecom) and on this router it is also much simpeler. The Speedtouch is illogical, at least to me, and differs from the routers I have seen. If you look at the slices wfpost has send, you can see that there is no clear port 80. Instead, you have to choose a setting for games to be let threw and (supposedly) this opens port 80 (??), but may be it is another port.
In my USR it is so simple. You literally choose port 80, than you are asked to fill in the WAN and local IP and that is it. Plain and simple and the way things should be and exaclty how Meteohub manual describes it.

Thanks for your answer, although it i a bit dissapointing.

[wfpost]

Thomson Speedtouch DSL Routers do not allow remote access to its WEBinterface via an external IP-address at port 80.
There´s a feature called Remote Assistance, but has to be switched on manually.


Thomson mainly does sell to ISP´s and not to end customers. That´s why a lot of these routers have features disabled, because the ISP´s do not want their users doing wrong things that only might mean a lot of additional support calls for them.

ST DSL Routers have a complete CLI which allows you to set up just about anything you want, but again, you have to know what you´re doing, because with a simple CLI command you can erase your whole DSL configuration off the modem.
Here´s a download link for a CLI manual.
http://www.thomsontelecompartner.com/ds ... php?id=108

You should also be aware that Thomson does not release firmware for endusers, only for their ISPs and resellers.

But a very good source for firmware ist this German forum:

http://www.speedtouchforum.de
It gets you anything you want for ST Routers.

Jorge,
at the moment I do not know, what problem still remains.
I guessed you wanted to get connected with the meteohub GUI over the internet.
That can be achieved with DYNDNS and Port Sharing on port 80.
BTW: Port 80 is the default port for HTTP Web server, that´s why it´s not mentioned with the ST-GUI.

Now you want to have access to the Router GUI over the internet?

[wfpost]

There´s one weird thing with Thomson, I have observed with the one my brother is using.
He has a 192.168.0.1 subnet.
A webcam GUI in that subnet with IP 192.168.0.111 can be remotely accessed without any problems.
Settings on the router are to forward port 80 requests from the external WAN IP to the internal one.

But when trying to get connected with the external DYNDNS name with a browser in the router subnet I do not land on the webcam GUI, but on the router GUI.
The webcams local IP address works fine though.
I still haven´t looked what´s causing this, but I´m sure it has something to do with the initial config of the Speedtouch router that cannot be changed afterwards.
You have to know that a Speedtouch router has be set up with an external WIN program, that does a basic config to determine which role this router is used for.

[wfpost]

If that is so, there is a lot to do because which port is exactly on and which is not, is not clear to me on this router. I have checked with another router (sitecom) and on this router it is also much simpeler. The Speedtouch is illogical, at least to me, and differs from the routers I have seen. If you look at the slices wfpost has send, you can see that there is no clear port 80. Instead, you have to choose a setting for games to be let threw and (supposedly) this opens port 80 (??), but may be it is another port.
In my USR it is so simple. You literally choose port 80, than you are asked to fill in the WAN and local IP and that is it. Plain and simple and the way things should be and exaclty how Meteohub manual describes it.

Thanks for your answer, although it i a bit dissapointing.

But it´s the same with the ST router.
The method I described opens port 80 for incoming requests and forwarding them to the local IP you have selected.

[J.S.]

Hejsa wfpost,

I have seen al settings of the Speedtouch and also the remote assistence and its uselessness for me.

BTW: I can understand making a foolproof router BTW. It has it pro's of course.

I wanted to recht the router over the net, so I could setup the Meteohub over there and leave it while doing the settings if necessary ver here. Remeber that I could already access it directly via the router.

My wireless problems over there are attributal to the router as well, a firmware update from the ISP points to just these troubles. The modem resets occasionally. I don't think I need an dynDNS as the service provider says that for these ADSL routers the WAN is kept the same always. Is this possible?

Anyway, found this film on youtube (which I cannot see over there, because they have filternet. A Dutch ISP that filters everything containing sex and violence. And thus: youtube. But Ithink this is what I should do (and I believe I did already...).

WFpost: do you agree that this should do it (film below)? Here indeed I see a setting that can open the port, but I don't remeber seeing it on the GUI of "my" speedtouch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_CDkncANGI

And thanks yet again.

mfg,

Jorge

[wfpost]

okay, three things.
1. The youtube video shows exactly how to setup port forwarding with a ST DSL router.
My earlier screenshots show the same procedure.
The method with the youtube video creating a new application is not necessary as long you are using meteohub´s default WEBinterface port = 80.
Then you can use the already defined ST application
Web Server (HTTP)

2. DYNDNS is mandatory, because the external WAN IP changes at least every 24h and maybe more often if your DSL router has problems with the signal and reconnects more often. Otherwise you wouldn´t have a change to know the current IP-address of your meteohub.
(Static IPs cost about 15€ a month)
It´s also needed, if you want to use graphs from meteohub, because if you want to embed graphs in an external website, you need to point to a http address that doesn´t depend on an altering ISP IP address, but on a static url-address.
In my case, my meteohub can be reached from the internet at

http://adr.homedns.org
no matter what my current WAN IP is.
e.g. all current sensor data can be called with that url:

http://adr.homedns.org/meteograph.cgi?text=all

3. Accessing the ST Router GUI externally is not necessary at all, because you only apply the settings once and then everything is okay.

In my case I have a LAN-controlled power switch allowing me to start a local PC over the internet.
With remote desktop I can access this PC and open the ST GUI as I were in front of my PC at home ;-)

[J.S.]

1) I did that already on saturday (HTTP server) so that is oke.
2)I did that too and may be it works, I got a name and an IP adress, got a password and put it in the router, which accepted it. But thought it was malfunctioning as I could not reach their router. Now I see that that is impossible with the Speedtouch. So have to see if this works. Do you mean that if I attach the Meteohub to it, it actually could get threw??
3) ? I probably do not understand that. How can I know for certain that I did everything right when I can only access the router via the local IP and not the external IP. I can already access the meteohub locally.
How can I know for certain, without going to another Pc on another network that I indeed set the dydnds alright so that Meteohub can be accessed without doing the same (going to another PC)??

In Dutch their provider says this: "Elke computer die verbonden wordt met internet, krijgt een IP-adres. Dit IP-adres krijgt u van uw provider. Door dit nummer kan uw computer/netwerk op internet gevonden worden.
Het kan zijn dat u elke keer hetzelfde IP-adres krijgt (bijvoorbeeld met een ADSL-verbinding) maar het kan ook zijn dat u elke keer een ander IP-adres krijgt (bijvoorbeeld bij een inbelverbinding).
Wanneer u een router gebruikt, wordt het IP-adres toegekend aan de router, en zal uw PC een intern IP-adres krijgen van de router.
Vanaf internet gezien, bent u echter bekend onder dat externe IP-adres van de router.

Er zijn verschillende methoden om te achterhalen wat uw IP-adres op dit moment is, maar dit verschilt per besturingssysteem of netwerkconfiguratie. Er is echter een makkelijkere manier: HIER ziet uw huidige IP-nummer op uw beeldscherm!"

In short: with ADSL you will get the same IP adres everytime, with ISDN you will have a different IP adress.
SO are you sure that this does not depend upon the provider (this changing adress)??

[J.S.]

Wen't to a specialized networkcompany. Told about my weahterstation and the problems. They were interested. Then I mentioned "Speedtouch" router. Both guys had a sad face. It was possible, but they had encountered many problems configuring this router and, like me, accessing it wireless. Yesterday evening yet again I tried to access the router wireless. I have the password and the connection was perfect (strengthwise) but entering the router was a no go....for the umpteenth time.
Now do not tell me this is me, because I have accessed various routers in my neighborhood wirelessly without any hassle. Also not in my dads house, not in my sistershouse not when I was on vacation the Eifel in the Hotel (with the password). Even with my ruined settings (trying to access the Speedtouch with a static IP for my notebook which didn't work because halfway I got too cold), I could access my own router at home direct. Didn't have to change settings at all, just detect my router et voila.

Buildings my sensorshields, setting up my weahterstation in the field and testing meteohub at home with my router altogether costed me much less time than just trying to access and confiuge this router. I am furious now. I have done my testing, I have prepared everything as good as I can. I have taken my time, I have been patient (and am known for my patience) but I have had enough. I am done.

I still would like to thank everyone over here for their help and good will anyway! Thanks very much!!